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26 November 2007 @ 08:56 am
Having doubts  

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[info]helen_c, I'm posting a question to all you native English, concerning English grammar.

Could someone please explain this to me: when something belongs to someone we write "yannik's cup", if it's plural, we write "girls' dresses", but what if someone's name, for example, ends with "s"? "Cornelius' hand", or "Cornelius's hand"?

A good way to learn the language, eh?

 

 
 
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Claire[info]unforth on November 26th, 2007 10:42 am (UTC)
I'm a native English speaker, and I'm almost 25, and it's only in the last year or so that I've really started to figure this out. I've never formally studied grammar, and usually go with what "looks or sounds right" - all of which is to say that I might be wrong.

However, I'm almost positive that it would, indeed, by Cornelius' cup. The other doesn't look right. ;)

And it's a great way to learn the language. I someone else is more certain than me. ;)
suffolkgirl[info]suffolkgirl on November 26th, 2007 02:41 pm (UTC)
I think it's "Cornelius' hand". It looks correct. Sorry not to be more positive, but I went to school during the period when teaching grammar was unfashionable!
ammonite7[info]ammonite7 on November 26th, 2007 05:07 pm (UTC)
It's true, Cornelius's hand is correct.

I had an English teacher in my senior year of high school who was a stickler for grammar and punctuation. It was a "college prep" class, so she made us write and write and write until we never made a mistake in either. Freshman English in college was a breeze. I've been grateful to this lady ever since.
ddt73[info]ddt73 on December 5th, 2007 11:00 pm (UTC)
Actually yannik the above people are wrong actually.

Got the following from http://www.grammarbook.com/punctuation/apostro.asp[/url]

Rule 2. Use the apostrophe to show possession. Place the apostrophe before the s to show singular possession.
Examples: one boy's hat
one woman's hat
one actress's hat
one child's hat
Ms. Chang's house

NOTE: Although names ending in s or an s sound are not required to have the second s added in possessive form, it is preferred.
Mr. Jones's golf clubs
Texas's weather
Ms. Straus's daughter
Jose Sanchez's artwork
Dr. Hastings's appointment (name is Hastings)
Mrs. Lees's books (name is Lees)


So it should 's at the end for singular possession no matter what. Hope this helps you. :)
olga[info]o_yannik on December 6th, 2007 07:32 pm (UTC)
It helps a lot, thanks! And thanks for the link, it might proove useful.
mikandra[info]mikandra on December 18th, 2007 10:54 am (UTC)
everyone here is wrong, or right, depending on how you look at it.

English (UK, Australia, New Zealand) use is Cornelius'

American (US Canada etc) is Cornelius's