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29 November 2006 @ 10:31 am
Jamie Bamber on Apollo  
I’m a very happy fan today. I found (on TelevisionWithoutPity Forum – I love this forum!) a link to SCIFIPEDIA site, where Jamie Bamber shares his knowledge about Apollo.

It’s HERE

I’m not sure how spoilery my comments are, but since they refer to the episode 3.14 “A Day in the Life” – that is going to shed some light on the Adamas’ past – I’m going to put that behind LJ-cut.

What made me most happy is the fact that there was no Anne! Bill Adama never re-married, his first wife’s name was simply Carolanne. I knew it! I knew it, and I even wrote it in that backstory fanfic, that I’m never going to recommend again, because I read it a couple of weeks ago, and it’s horribly written. I don’t know English grammar, I must admit. But I digress…

So there was no Anne, what made me very happy, and another thing I kind-of liked was how JB explained Lee’s jealousy of Kara way back in the Academy days. It’s rather vague, so there isn’t much to be joyful about, but he doesn’t specifically say that Zak met Kara, and then introduced her to Lee. So it can be interpreted either way, and I refuse to agree that “Kara met the wrong Adama first”. I always had the impression that Lee and Kara knew each other for a long, long time, and the “wrong Adama first” opinion is only Katee Shackoff’s way of seeing her character, not a general cannon.

As for the relationship between Lee and Zak it’s just like most of the fans (including me of course) guess. Zak was the easy-going kiddo, whom Lee loved very much and tried to protect, blah, blah.

Oh, and I also like JB's analysis of reasons of Lee's depression, but that I could talk about till the morning, so...

Now what I dislike – it’s the mention of abuse inflicted on her sons by Carolanne. My personal fanwank was always that Lee’s mother was abusive, but in a more “sophisticated” way than hitting (especially under the influence of alcohol!). I thought of her as a mental-, emotional abuser. You know, of the kind that loves you, so she pushes you away (the pattern with Kara, much?); or undermining his self-confidence in any other way.
Making her a physical abuser means that TPTB are just trying to make Lee more similar to Kara (but stll a shadow of her), not a character of his own – at least that’s what I’m afraid of.

And since I’m at it, I’ll say what I’m afraid of with regard to “Unfinished Business”. Someone at TwoP Forum (again, I love that forum) mentioned that possibly there was an aborted Starpollo. This idea ticks me off so much, that if this comes true, I might even stop watching this show. And it’s not because I’m against abortion (I’m not, and we in Poland have probably the most restrictive anti-abortion law, so it generally ticks us off either way, but this Real Life subject is to complex for me to discuss on the internet, so I’ll shut up), but because it would make all the Kacey storyline seem like a punishment for Starbuck. Or well, whatever.

So I’ll even take Lee being dumped on his ass, thus getting depressed, over the Starpollo scenario. Though that’s lame also. Heh. All I’m looking forward to in this episode, really, is Lee’s ass getting kicked (am I twisted?) – so I at least won’t be disappointed. Oh, and this little moment where he’s happy. That scene in the previews, and his laugh, smile there, are so heartwarming. Poor Lee…
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suffolkgirl[info]suffolkgirl on November 29th, 2006 09:51 am (UTC)
I found this on Television without Pity too!

I'm not sure about the sudden revelations that Lee's mother abused him either, particularly the bit about her drinking. As you say, it's too similar to Kara's childhood background. I agree that emotional abuse would be more interesting and fit better with Lee's character - why he's so closed off, keeps his feelings to himself etc.

And yeah, they'd better not go there with the abortion storyline, as you say it would make the Kacey thing seem like punishment and it's far too melodramatic.

People seem to keep coming up with all these elaborate explanations for the rift, but I think it's likely to be much more simple. I reckon Lee and Kara sleep together and then she gets freaked out and pushes him away...maybe dumping him in a particularly nasty manner. The two of them have so many emotional issues they are quite capable of frakking things up all on their own without the need for any external problems like a pregnancy.

BTW, have you ever been to the Adama Realm (http://p066.ezboard.com/btheadamarealm)? I've recently joined there and I'd think you'd like it. There's lots of Lee centred discussion and fic, and there are several people we know from fanfiction.net there. They're all busy discussing this link at the moment.
olga: Kara[info]o_yannik on November 29th, 2006 11:16 am (UTC)
People seem to keep coming up with all these elaborate explanations for the rift, but I think it's likely to be much more simple. I reckon Lee and Kara sleep together and then she gets freaked out and pushes him away...maybe dumping him in a particularly nasty manner.

What you proved pretty well in "Freedom" :). Initially I wasn't very fond of this story. Not the writing or plotting – those are great as in any of your other stories. But the idea... I just wish there was more to Lee Adama, than his issues with Kara Thrace. And while I may not be very bothered about it in a fanfic, if this comes up on screen, it will be annoying. I mean – hell! TPTB are spending how much more time on fleshing out those characters than we, mere fanfic writers, do? And if they reduce my Lee to pining after Kara, I'll be disappointed. But then, I must remember I do not expect anything else, so I won't be :).

So again, what was so good about JB's article, was the fact that he reminded about the origin of Lee's depression – disappointment in Roslin and his father. Heh, maybe that "public thing" Kara does (the one Tigh knows about), has some political meaning? Now I'm getting my hopes high and another fanfic idea. Frak me!

BTW, have you ever been to the Adama Realm? I've recently joined there and I'd think you'd like it.

NOOO!!! I already broke my promise to self not to join LJ, and not to make fanArt. I'm wasting too much time already – time that I might spend on, say, writing "Grouse" ;). And I've had moments this week when I've felt I've been bordering on neglecting my kids! No more Internet activity. Oh, okay I'll give myself those four days of freedom, but then... I'll be strong!
suffolkgirl[info]suffolkgirl on November 29th, 2006 02:49 pm (UTC)
I just wish there was more to Lee Adama, than his issues with Kara Thrace. And while I may not be very bothered about it in a fanfic, if this comes up on screen, it will be annoying.

I do agree!

I know I tend to write Lee/Kara fic, but Lee is my main interest...I'm only interested in Kara as she relates to him, really.

Lee was the character that really got me invested in BSG, and I loved him for reasons that were wholly unrelated to Kara...the way he helped Roslin and saved Colonial One in the mini-series, the way he faced down Zarek and then stood up to Adama and Roslin in Bastille Day, the way he pulled off the mission in Hand of God despite getting zero support or confidence from anyone etc. I didn't really get into the L/K ship until Kobol's Last Gleaming part one.

So I definitely don't want to see him reduced to being Kara's love interest. Although he has had some Kara-unrelated scenes in the last two episodes, so I hope!

I also don't think his weight gain/depression over the missing year was wholly due to Kara. i think it was a combination of his earlier depression after Resurrection Ship, being bored on the Pegasus trapped on patrol with nothing to do, and whatever happened with Kara was just the final straw.

Here's hoping Lee gets a good storyline in the rest of the season that's unrelated to Kara, hopefully involving standing up for his principles and fighting for democracy!
Janet[info]jatnj on November 29th, 2006 12:19 pm (UTC)
That was a great article. Thanks for sharing. I was a little shocked to find out that Carolanne was abusive. I'd like to think that Lee had some loving influence in his life, but apparently not.
I also like that the actors are admitting their character's attraction to each other...Jamie always seems to make a point of saying that Kara and Lee should be together in just about every interview I've read lately.
Thanks for sharing.
olga[info]o_yannik on November 29th, 2006 04:55 pm (UTC)
I was a little shocked to find out that Carolanne was abusive. I'd like to think that Lee had some loving influence in his life, but apparently not.

He's too frakked up for someone who was raised in a "normal" family. After all, his behavior when Kara screws him in "Scar", is not one of someone who has any built in self-respect. I would run away to the other end of the Galaxy after something like that (at least I hope I would). And he seems to have fallen for her even more!

I also like that the actors are admitting their character's attraction to each other...Jamie always seems to make a point of saying that Kara and Lee should be together in just about every interview I've read lately.

Isn't that sweet, though?
And what does it say about me, being such a shipper, and saying what I said above (about running away)? I still want them together!
Janet[info]jatnj on November 29th, 2006 10:16 pm (UTC)
I want them together too, respective spouses be damned. I love Lee's "devotion" to Kara. I just wish she would return it.